Approximately two weeks after the hearings of Anne Hidalgo and Emmanuel Grégoire, the former directors of the Direction des Affaires Sociales (Dasco) of the City of Paris are now being questioned about the extent of reports of sexual violence in the Parisian school environment. Under the pressure of questions from the rapporteure and the vice-president of the commission, Béatrice Delpal and Sophie Fady-Cayrel defended their services and acknowledged shortcomings, sometimes with much emotion. During her hearing on Tuesday, September 15, the former mayor of Paris Anne Hidalgo criticized the Direction des Affaires juridiques and the Dasco regarding article 40. This article requires systematic reporting of suspicions of mistreatment or violence against children. She stated she had "not been informed" of a change in regime from her administration. "My administration did not follow my instructions and that is more than regrettable," she said. However, responses from the Dasco seem to contradict this assertion. The rapporteure Agnès Evren returned to a video broadcast by Mediapart. This recording shows Bérénice Delpal, former director of the Dasco, and her former deputy Éric Laurier. Laurier mentions testimonies from children sometimes described as "fantastical" and complains about animators who, in reporting on colleagues, play "white knights." Bérénice Delpal does not challenge her colleague's remarks but justifies them by recalling a specific context: "According to the juvenile brigade, the information seemed to be linked to a form of media frenzy and anxiety of parents." She explains that the term "fantastical" referred to false information spread by parents in WhatsApp groups. "We did not minimize the words of the children," she adds, "we always investigated and reported." The rapporteure continued her questions by recalling that Anne Hidalgo had stated she was "not informed" of how the Dasco managed the follow-ups of re-assigned staff. According to Agnès Evren, a report from the Baudin school in the 11th arrondissement in Paris highlights a systematic lack of follow-up of animators. "Why reassign animators to work with children instead of assigning them to an office where there would be no contact?" she asks the civil servants. Sophie Fady-Cayrel, director of the Dasco between 2018 and 2022, says that written reprimands allow for follow-up on sanctions and that the Dasco requests a follow-up "every time a reassignment is made." The rapporteure questions the two civil servants on non-systematic reports, referring to article 40, which applies to the after-school sector and imposes a legal obligation to report suspicions of mistreatment or violence against children. While Anne Hidalgo had stated she was "not informed of a change in regime" from her administration, Bérénice Delpal contradicts her. "When I was director of the Dasco, I worked on a guide, the guide 'alerte comportements adultes,' which detailed that the Direction des affaires juridiques (DAJ) had to use article 40, unless a complaint from parents had been filed. In this context, the DAJ could 'avoid duplicates.'" This guide written with the DAJ was widely "shared and validated, in its construction, by the mayor's office." The former director of the Dasco states, however, that she understands "the fact of not making duplicates." If she did not challenge it at the time, it was because it did not seem to her "to endanger our policy of fighting violence against children." The rapporteure then replies: "You deprived yourself of this essential and mandatory tool!" she exclaims. According to Sophie Fady-Cayrel, "even if the article 40 has been systematically used since the end of 2025," "we do not have information on the procedure" in progress. "Even when we made an article 40, the police did not give us any information," she notes. Therefore, she proposes to extend the suspension period to more than four months because "to carry out a disciplinary procedure with elements of justice, one must consider the suspension period, which is currently too short." «You indicated that the 2015 recommendations concerning the Dasco have all been addressed,» launches Agnès Evren. «Do you affirm that this is true?» she insists. Indeed, in 2015, a report by the Inspection générale de la Ville de Paris detailed 50 recommendations distributed among the municipal departments to improve the prevention and handling of sexual offenses against minors. Bérénice Delpal, director of the Direction des affaires sociales between 2018 and 2022, states that except for "some exceptions, notably on the premises," "all recommendations in terms of reporting and staff training have been implemented, even if we can indeed always do better in terms of training." Sophie Fady-Cayrel complements her with some precise figures: "out of the 50 recommendations in the report that concerned all the city's departments, seven of them were not for the Dasco and out of the remaining 43, all have been addressed, including five that were adapted to the Dasco." The rapporteure, apparently unconvinced by the arguments of the two civil servants, replies: "I do not share your point of view, especially on the first recommendation concerning weak signals. It was only in 2026 that a training was put in place." But according to Bérénice Delpal, "we did not wait until 2025 to provide training on the prevention of abuse, (…) there have been many since 2015." She gives the example of the Projet Educatif de Territoire (PEDT), which she implemented, in which the prevention of abuse was "one of the main actions": "It has always been a constant concern!" she declares. According to the rapporteure, this commission is a "perpetual passing of the buck." "At no point has anyone said 'I failed,' " she exclaims, emphasizing the responsibility of the former directors of the Dasco. Bérénice Delpal then breaks down in tears before the commission, making it clear that she did what she could: "It is certainly not enough but I do not consider that the shortcomings are the same as in 2015. (…) I took my responsibilities as a director and (…) each case was a trial for us." According to her, each case "is so different, at each case we re-examined our processes," "there were constant adjustments and we made them," insists the former director of the Dasco, stating that her "determination was total." The LR senator and vice-president of the commission Max Brisson did not fail to comment on the emotion of Bérénice Delpal: "I see a little regret, after 1h30 of hearing." Irritated by the argumentation of the former director, he says: "You will not convince me that the 'no wave' does not exist in your administration, when it is this 'no wave' that it is urgent to combat today." The hearing ends with recommendations from Sophie Fady-Cayrel, director of the Dasco between 2023 and 2026, who regretted not having had time at the beginning "as agreed" to speak. "I am very worried because we have done a lot of things, not perfectly but a lot of things, and despite that it is not enough, it does not protect us," "help us to have more effective controls, that is how we will better protect our children," she expresses with emotion, her voice trembling. Among her recommendations, it would be necessary for the training to be the same for the city's staff and the national education staff and to improve the relations between the two; to set up competitions to work in the after-school sector, as is already the case in nurseries; and finally, to better support families. "So yes, it is complicated and sometimes we have taken time to find the right solutions to support families," she explains, overcome with emotion. "You see, you had the time to speak that you wanted," the senator says before thanking them to conclude this hearing.