Judith welcomes Corinne Lepage, a former French Minister of the Environment, lawyer, and a key figure in the development of environmental law, back to the show "Avec Judith." Lepage, who has spent over fifty years advocating for environmental protection, discusses the current state of ecological challenges and the major obstacles that lie ahead. With a career spanning decades, she has been at the forefront of legal and policy efforts aimed at preserving the environment in France and beyond. In the interview, Lepage reflects on the progress made in environmental policy, but also highlights the shortcomings she believes have been left unaddressed. She notes that while the environment has become a more prominent topic in public and political discourse, real, measurable change has been slow to materialize. This conversation comes at a time when climate change and ecological degradation are increasingly pressing global concerns. Lepage specifically criticizes the five-year term of President Emmanuel Macron, pointing out that the promise of an "ecological five-year term"—a commitment to prioritize environmental issues during his presidency—has not been fully realized. She argues that while Macron’s government has taken some steps toward sustainability, these efforts have not been comprehensive or ambitious enough to meet the scale of the environmental challenges facing France and the world. Despite her criticisms, Lepage remains hopeful and emphasizes the importance of continued advocacy, legal action, and public engagement in driving environmental progress. Her insights provide a sobering yet realistic perspective on the state of ecology today and the path forward.